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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 1, 2010 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

thanks much and sorry for the threadjack here. back to dark star ...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 1, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Both Dire and I are self-confessed assholes and are more likely than not to take a thread way off topic. If musical insight/knoweldge is what you seek, steer well away from our posts (but keep your eyes out for my upcoming comprehensive post on the history of Day Job).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 1, 2010 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

me?? steering threads away from their intended purpose?? perish the thought!!

i am, however, eagerly awaiting your thesis on Day Job - i am certain it will be riveting and required reading for all heads who truly appreciate the GD at their musical, creative finest!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 1, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I have no objection to off topic posts, for the record; just completely unexpected and pointless obscenities.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Dude, the only obscenity is in you mind. Your way of topic not to mention you being a prude and judgmental dick.

I am very glad the folks who run this site UNDERSTAND the nature of free speech because it's clear that many here don't.

The last thing we need here are more moderators. (self described or otherwise)

Censorship is hardly called for, so

TOUGHEN UP KID.

Just remember you might be a prude! Frank called you out!


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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 1, 2010 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

First off, ringolevio is a woman, so why don't you treat her with a little respect stupid?

2nd, This is a public forum, do you talk like that at your starbucks or supermarket? Do they even allow you in???

3rd, I first heard Zappa live in 1966... Where were you? Did you even have pampers to poop in, or speak into as the case may be???

4th, Your not worth any more of my time. Find out who you're calling out before you do it again dumbass!!!

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Dear Cush.

I don't care if she is a girl or a boy. In this context it's irrelevant. (unlike you I'm not attempting to impress her =)
I respect folks for there intellectual capacity amongst other things...

If this place is a Starbucks get me the hell out!

Sorry to hear you are so old. Again it's irrelevant, so don't worry.
Frank was prolific did not have to see him in 66 to get the satire...

Thanks for your time... I love you just the same as I love you all. I don't mind sharing my time with you, brother...sister what ever... In fact if we where stilling round the hookah we would be fast friends for sure...

To those so easily offended. Feel free to start you own forum where only your friends can agree with you...

I like the Dark Star, I despise the narrow mind, I call it how I see it. Feel free to have YOUR VERY OWN OPINION.

Just so you know, # 4 is called a COP OUT.... you got nothing why did you even speak up? (I suspect your attempting to impress the girls)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 1, 2010 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

As I noted in the other thread, it is possible I overreacted. It's certainly possible I don't get the song. And yes I know the dead were sexists too .. just not that bad (jeez).

So it's about sexual repression? - if you're sexually repressed you'll turn out like this guy who wants to do his daughter? Hm. Not *quite* sure I buy that, but I'll think about it.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 10:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/7248602/the_immortals__the_greatest_artists_of_all_time_71_frank_zappa


http://www.deaddisc.com/GDFD_Refs.htm

Hey I'm not a very good writer and the concepts in my mind are not simple to communicate so I appreciate you working with me on getting this across!

we both overreacted.


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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 2, 2010 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Thanks for this - I will take a look at the links at lunch today.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 2, 2010 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

P.S. Sorry I really could not get back today, but do intend to look at your links and appreciate.

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 1, 2010 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I disagree – I often can’t help but wonder what a little bit of moderation could do for this forum. You may enjoy exercising your “free speech” - to me you’ve shown nothing worth listening to.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 1, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

It seems evident that your espousal of free speech doesn’t extend to including people who might disagree with you. ‘Toughen up kid’ is hardly an invitation to rational debate is it?

Paedophilia IS an obscenity; it’s something that rightly makes most people feel very uncomfortable and which they would rather not even think about, never mind discuss. However, I absolutely believe that Ringolevio could debate you into the ground on the subject. I would just love to hear your defence of kiddy porn on the grounds of freedom of expression.

The sexual exploitation of minors is a deeply serious topic that doesn’t deserve to be half-wittedly interjected into a hockey game discussion because some fucking idiot found a song with a Canadian placename in it. That is just trivialising and demeaning and, Ringolevio will correct me if I’m wrong, that’s what’s so objectionable about the whole thing.

Just remember you might be an asshole.

I’m calling you out.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 2, 2010 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I would debate her fair and square...

Toughen Up is barely hard language...she can handle it.



This is about a very socially conscience Frank Zappa song...
It's call satire. It's NOT a pro pedophile song dude! It's about how repressed and internally tormented "the squares" are...

open up your mind.. 99 percent of your fears will never come to pass.

And Rob, you have the right to your opinion... what ever that is anyway?

Love and grass.
the groover...


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 1, 2010 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

who's wearing pojamas?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 1, 2010 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I wouldn’t be too sure of your debating skills if I were you.

This is fundamentally NOT about what Zappa hoped to achieve by writing this ‘very social conscience’ (sic) song because I’ll bet he didn’t want its message to be trivialised by having it taken out of context and used for cheap laughs. And just exactly how is it about ‘squares’ being ‘repressed and internally tormented’? Enlighten me, oh wise one!

My mind is open – just not so open that you can hear the wind whistle through…

Debate me, boy.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Look dude,

You are right Frank did not mean for his song to be quoted like that... no argument.

The offense here is that some claimed the song was some pedophile anthem. It ain't. I believe that you are a smart person. Read the lyrics. Think about it for a second. You don't need me to debate this. The man he sings about is not a hero. Frank is describing a condition that is highly uncool. Frank is pointing out how repressed sexually is a bad thing. Plain and simple.

Ringvo (whatever) had no reason to be offended, it was random that's about all. So to me the posturing around the false offense was VERY offensive to me! The call for censorship is lame. If she is strictly a scholar then she had no business reading a thread about hockey anyway...

Don't cry Wolf for no reason or you will be ignored when you need help.


BTW Robby, this the wrong place to try to impress with your debating skills... LOL give me a break, are you running for office? Just so you know, I'll debate you any old time you think your up of a good whipping.

If you think you have a leg to stand on I would like to hear about it.


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 1, 2010 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Before we go any further I would like to withdraw my earlier suggestion that you might be an asshole.

You ARE an asshole.

“If she is strictly a scholar then she had no business reading a thread about hockey anyway...” What the fuck are you on, son? Hockey is off limits for scholars? It’s just for dim bulbs like you, huh? Hey, no censorship, except let’s not have those fucking intellectuals watching our hockey games and making fun of our lame sexist gags. Right fucking on!

As, somewhat unsurprisingly, it seems to have escaped your notice, let me point out to you that this actually is a place where debating skills count for something. This is an open forum where views are exchanged and defended – and if you can’t handle that then fuck off back to kiddy korner. Dude.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Obviously you lack any sense of humor kiddo.

The scholar bit is called humor. Remember the dead where just a rock band...obviously we all are dead heads...

You have nothing to base your debate on. Your wrong about the song is all.

You have lost the argument.

You end with my exact argument, Toughen up Kid.

another way to say...

if you can't play with the big dogs stay on the porch.


You debating sucks, I'll bet you loose the election!

Ohh yeah and it's me pointing you to the kiddy corner... off to bed with you . no dinner!


Furthermore calling me and "asshole" is in fact very a very assholy thing to do.

Very mature Rob.

For the LAST TIME it was not a SEXIST gag! You simply did not understand the song...if that song is a sexist you are insulting and misrepresenting Zappa and that kiddo is offensive... get it? It's was a random gag. The song is not offensive...it just had some random Canada reference. Ring-y did not understand others made it worse and in the end Zappa looked like a peder-ass... uncool!



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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 1, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

A sense of humour is only triggered by something funny. Admittedly you are funny, but just not in the way that you think.

How can I have lost the argument when you haven’t even begun to argue?

Fish + barrel + shotgun = no fun for me.

And by the way, retrospectively editing your posts in the forlorn hope that it’ll make you look better doesn’t make you a big dog. It makes you a pussy.

Bye bye!

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Look Rob.

Let's leave it like this.

Rob(wordhammingfool) thinks Zappa is a peder-ass.

I think Zappa was cool and had a good message.

Rob would rather toss Zappa under the bus so he looks cool to some random forum member... You called me names..

You have very weak debating skills, better you face that here than at starbucks...

Everybody edits there posts...snowflake!

You clam we have not started, because you are loosing. Sounds to me like you just can't admit that you where wrong.. you did not read the lyrics and just typed....

In the end I can be friends will all, I'm just not going to let you talk shit about Zappa is all.




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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 1, 2010 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

"You clam we have not started, because you are loosing. Sounds to me like you just can't admit that you where wrong.."



and I thought that I was the worst in failing spell checking!

furthermore - dude, it might be best to let it rest. you ARE "loosing" the argument (either that or not quite getting what the discussion is really about)

are you and Jackie Hughes one in the same person? your verbal skills are similarly challenged. just asking...

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 2, 2010 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Run away with you weak arguments or make a point that is not wrong, insulting or weak.

See ya Rob.



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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 1, 2010 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I'm not one to run away Rob...

Made my points:

-Franks song is not pro peder-ass.

-Ring-o need not have taken offense, she over reacted, did not get the reference. Should have looked up who Zappa was!

-Nobody had the balls to defend Zappa.

-People forget how important free speech is until it's to late.

-many folks in the forum treat women differently then men. (in a creepy and offense way)

-the forum IS NOT starbucks and much closer to a free speech zone! (thank god!)

-the Canadians winning the game is not without controversy.

-new and improved posts are not always to be taken very serious.

-we all need more humor

-light into ashes is as close to a professor as we are going to get round here.

THANKS AGAIN! LiA Rocks



You decide if they are weak.... clearly I could have been more constructive today.


I also learned a lot about Dark star. In the end it a tune that I can only relate to sometimes. There are some epic DS out there but I don't feel bad skipping it from time to time... NOTHING is sacred.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 2, 2010 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

If my point was at the end of a sharpened stick being applied to your nether regions I doubt you'd get it. I am no longer inclined to apply my head to the brick wall of your invincible ignorance so do us all a favour and cease and desist the tedious post amendments. And to think you had the brass-balled nerve to call Tell boring...

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 2, 2010 11:16am
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Rob I know you think you got it all worked out... but you don't even know the meaning of "satire". You had ample opportunity to prove yourself smart or insightful.

I make no such claims about myself, I'm a simple man with spelling problems that has his OWN opinions and does not kiss the behinds of other men.

I never (still don't) have an issue with you. I find you entertaining.

Question Authority!





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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 2, 2010 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Though the world is so full of a number of things,
I know we should all be as happy as
But are we?
No, definitely no, positively no.
Decidedly no. Mm mm.
Short people have long faces and
Long people have short faces.
Big people have little humor
And little people have no humor at all!
And in the words of that immortal buddy
Samuel J. Snodgrass, as he was about to be lead
To the guillotine:

Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh

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Poster: cush212 Date: Mar 1, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Down boy...

;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 1, 2010 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

I section that motion and extend kudos for dropping in the subsequent Zappa reference....



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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Mar 1, 2010 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star 1971

Could you possibly do the I Will Take You Home compendium/emotional barometer/detailed performance history and sort it such a way as to really capture, and not just attempt, we had enough of that in the freakin Olympics, but hold in your hand the raw essence of this raw and tender ballad is too simple a word for it...